second viewing of Endgame thoughts
Apr. 27th, 2019 04:46 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
hafitalI have like 10 minutes to write this, and I'm not any better at processing this movie today than I was yesterday!
I cried again, but this time at two totally different points of the movie lol. This time, I started crying during Thor and Frigga's scene because damn I love Frigga and she gets to hold and hug her son and I just couldn't.
And then... it started during the part when they go back to NY in 2012, because I started thinking about how watching The Avengers would change now, knowing that somewhere in all that action other versions of Steve and Tony are there, and then it carried on through to the part in Asgard, already emotional because of Frigga, because it'll change The Dark World too (and I love that movie, fight me), and THEN, I lost it on Morag. I mean, I don't really like Quill all that much, but I was crying while he was dancing to his walkman because Rhodey and Nebula are there hiding. And now each time I watch Gaurdians of the Galaxy I'm going to be thinking of Rhodey and Nebula. And I just starting crying. These movies. Like seriously, they are all interlocked now. I.....it's a goddamn mobius strip, people.
Okay, now the other part I want to write quickly about is the whole time travel thing, and Steve Rogers specifically.
ASIDE: (I don't know if I can really comment on this without giving side-eye to a whole bunch of people who are apparently hurt by Steve's "send off" in the movie. It saddens me, to see how people are angry with his ending, which I thought was quite lovely, but also not what I, selfishly, exactly wanted either. But, the MCU, and the Russos and Marvel and all of them, they do not owe me anything. And it, imo, would be setting myself up for constant heartbreak to expect or even want any content creators to owe me anything. They do not. And they will not take into account what I want. Ever. Heck, when I write, I mostly write for myself...maybe for my editor. So why would I expect them to write for me? Sometimes, my wants and their wants align. Sometimes. That's my unpopular opinion. If your take away from Steve getting a happy ending with Peggy is to say it's a character betrayal and character assassination, and to wash your hands of the MCU because of it, or to be hurt by it, I don't know how to fix that for you. It's not Steve and Bucky sailing off together, I know. I'm sad about that too. I'm sad about a lot of things!)
Anyway, I digress. My main point is about Bruce's (and Nebula's) speech to Rhodey about time travel and how it works, and what that scene means for Steve at the end of the movie -- Bruce says when you go back in time, the past becomes your future and the future is now your past. People are mostly taking what he says to mean that Steve can go back in time and change what he wants because it won't affect his past, which is technically the future (or the present day of the movie) -- that's true (I think, I mean who really knows lol). BUT, what I think it's really meaning (in addition to that) is what it says about Steve's FUTURE. Most reactions I've read are how Steve going back in time negates and erases all of what he has accomplished so far etc, and it's a big fuck you to the 3 Cap movies, and how he was just saying at the beginning of the movie how you have to move on and let go of the past etc etc, but then the ending basically throws all that out the window because he decides to live in a past with a "love" he only kissed once or whatever (there are some bitter reactions out there lol). But, that's not what happens. His life goes forward. I think Destina's post said he's a man out of time. Exactly! His life winds around time. Sadly we don't get to see a lot of it. I mean, what adventures has he had a) returning the stones, and b) living his best life with Peggy -- it's not him living in the past? It's his future. We see him leave with the stones, and then he comes back to give Sam his shield. We see the bookends of that part of his life. He does not choose to live in the past. It's not his past! It's his present, it's him deciding to move forward and claim what he wants, and hold on to it. Not in the past but in his present and his future. It's just timey whimy wibbly wobbly. He's basically a Time Lord now. His life bends all over the place, and for a stretch of it, he lived with Peggy, and maybe Bucky too. And maybe more. I choose more. Because, as a fan of Steve Rogers, his future is also mine! So, I can make his future anything.
Okay that took longer than 10 minutes :/ I'm not done watching this movie. :D I'll probably cry again.
I cried again, but this time at two totally different points of the movie lol. This time, I started crying during Thor and Frigga's scene because damn I love Frigga and she gets to hold and hug her son and I just couldn't.
And then... it started during the part when they go back to NY in 2012, because I started thinking about how watching The Avengers would change now, knowing that somewhere in all that action other versions of Steve and Tony are there, and then it carried on through to the part in Asgard, already emotional because of Frigga, because it'll change The Dark World too (and I love that movie, fight me), and THEN, I lost it on Morag. I mean, I don't really like Quill all that much, but I was crying while he was dancing to his walkman because Rhodey and Nebula are there hiding. And now each time I watch Gaurdians of the Galaxy I'm going to be thinking of Rhodey and Nebula. And I just starting crying. These movies. Like seriously, they are all interlocked now. I.....it's a goddamn mobius strip, people.
Okay, now the other part I want to write quickly about is the whole time travel thing, and Steve Rogers specifically.
ASIDE: (I don't know if I can really comment on this without giving side-eye to a whole bunch of people who are apparently hurt by Steve's "send off" in the movie. It saddens me, to see how people are angry with his ending, which I thought was quite lovely, but also not what I, selfishly, exactly wanted either. But, the MCU, and the Russos and Marvel and all of them, they do not owe me anything. And it, imo, would be setting myself up for constant heartbreak to expect or even want any content creators to owe me anything. They do not. And they will not take into account what I want. Ever. Heck, when I write, I mostly write for myself...maybe for my editor. So why would I expect them to write for me? Sometimes, my wants and their wants align. Sometimes. That's my unpopular opinion. If your take away from Steve getting a happy ending with Peggy is to say it's a character betrayal and character assassination, and to wash your hands of the MCU because of it, or to be hurt by it, I don't know how to fix that for you. It's not Steve and Bucky sailing off together, I know. I'm sad about that too. I'm sad about a lot of things!)
Anyway, I digress. My main point is about Bruce's (and Nebula's) speech to Rhodey about time travel and how it works, and what that scene means for Steve at the end of the movie -- Bruce says when you go back in time, the past becomes your future and the future is now your past. People are mostly taking what he says to mean that Steve can go back in time and change what he wants because it won't affect his past, which is technically the future (or the present day of the movie) -- that's true (I think, I mean who really knows lol). BUT, what I think it's really meaning (in addition to that) is what it says about Steve's FUTURE. Most reactions I've read are how Steve going back in time negates and erases all of what he has accomplished so far etc, and it's a big fuck you to the 3 Cap movies, and how he was just saying at the beginning of the movie how you have to move on and let go of the past etc etc, but then the ending basically throws all that out the window because he decides to live in a past with a "love" he only kissed once or whatever (there are some bitter reactions out there lol). But, that's not what happens. His life goes forward. I think Destina's post said he's a man out of time. Exactly! His life winds around time. Sadly we don't get to see a lot of it. I mean, what adventures has he had a) returning the stones, and b) living his best life with Peggy -- it's not him living in the past? It's his future. We see him leave with the stones, and then he comes back to give Sam his shield. We see the bookends of that part of his life. He does not choose to live in the past. It's not his past! It's his present, it's him deciding to move forward and claim what he wants, and hold on to it. Not in the past but in his present and his future. It's just timey whimy wibbly wobbly. He's basically a Time Lord now. His life bends all over the place, and for a stretch of it, he lived with Peggy, and maybe Bucky too. And maybe more. I choose more. Because, as a fan of Steve Rogers, his future is also mine! So, I can make his future anything.
Okay that took longer than 10 minutes :/ I'm not done watching this movie. :D I'll probably cry again.
